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RingLeader Posted - 10/21/2007 : 01:43:30
These pics were sent to me recently and I have spent a few days working on getting them to the web. The boat was completed by Ryan Smith of RCS Yacht Refinishers of Clinton Twp., Michigan. There are several things that I really like about this project.

1. Its the same boat as my original/unfinished project and the exact same concept as I had planned for mine.

2. The inner liner was removed. I was told it was impossible, its obviously not. You just need the right equipment and an open mind.

3. I've been told that the bracket will ruin this boat in all respects... obviously not.

4. I don't know any details of the project, but I am trying to find out more. The project is phenominal and is worthy of being shared with everyone.

Check it out below.
http://www.classicmako.com/projects/rcs/
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jdcsail Posted - 07/05/2015 : 10:21:07
This guys shop is right down the street from where I kept my boat before moving to FL... This boat is currently for sale, maybe I'll hit the lotto??
PriceFirePro Posted - 06/15/2015 : 18:53:08
Paint, gelcoat, details all done right. Impressive build!
Stroken Posted - 05/25/2015 : 22:21:55
quote:
Originally posted by RingLeader

quote:
Originally posted by robdcol

Old I know, I live down the street from Ryan so I always drool when passing. After joining this site and looking at the projects section I dug for more details hoping he was on here as a member with a post on the build. Anywho just amazing... and its for sale! 50K last I saw.





I still enjoy looking at this restoration. Unfortunately he will never get 50K out of the boat. Even though he probably has more than that actually in it. At the end of the day, its an old boat and people just aren't going to fork out new boat money on an old boat no matter what the condition. My guess is its worth 25K tops.

I have over 100K in mine by now, and my gut feeling is that it might fetch 28-32K in a sale as it sits. Its a 22 year old boat when its all said and done.



If you ever go to sell it I got first dibs
robdcol Posted - 05/16/2015 : 19:25:31
quote:
Originally posted by RingLeader

quote:
Originally posted by robdcol

Old I know, I live down the street from Ryan so I always drool when passing. After joining this site and looking at the projects section I dug for more details hoping he was on here as a member with a post on the build. Anywho just amazing... and its for sale! 50K last I saw.





I still enjoy looking at this restoration. Unfortunately he will never get 50K out of the boat. Even though he probably has more than that actually in it. At the end of the day, its an old boat and people just aren't going to fork out new boat money on an old boat no matter what the condition. My guess is its worth 25K tops.

I have over 100K in mine by now, and my gut feeling is that it might fetch 28-32K in a sale as it sits. Its a 22 year old boat when its all said and done.



I would say your are spot on with that. Its been up for sale for the same price since I have lived in Mi (2012). That initial price tag shocked me hard, but then I found the build and I understand the price but its new boat territory, 50k just won't likely happen.
bluewater poser Posted - 05/16/2015 : 18:39:43
Thanks guys. I now know why I have a StarCraft worth a max of 4K. When fishing I go on different friends Angler, Bluewater or Seavee, This site represents those that want to work on boats more than fish. At least for me. Nice boat no matter what the outcome.
RingLeader Posted - 05/16/2015 : 08:57:33
quote:
Originally posted by robdcol

Old I know, I live down the street from Ryan so I always drool when passing. After joining this site and looking at the projects section I dug for more details hoping he was on here as a member with a post on the build. Anywho just amazing... and its for sale! 50K last I saw.





I still enjoy looking at this restoration. Unfortunately he will never get 50K out of the boat. Even though he probably has more than that actually in it. At the end of the day, its an old boat and people just aren't going to fork out new boat money on an old boat no matter what the condition. My guess is its worth 25K tops.

I have over 100K in mine by now, and my gut feeling is that it might fetch 28-32K in a sale as it sits. Its a 22 year old boat when its all said and done.
robdcol Posted - 05/15/2015 : 21:40:12
Old I know, I live down the street from Ryan so I always drool when passing. After joining this site and looking at the projects section I dug for more details hoping he was on here as a member with a post on the build. Anywho just amazing... and its for sale! 50K last I saw.
excellerator 1 Posted - 11/06/2007 : 21:18:36
I work for a major boat manufacture and I am in the process of restoring a 91 mako 211.I plan on bringing it to destin next year.It will be somewhere in the neighborhood of what ryan smiths looks like.
DestinBound Posted - 11/03/2007 : 07:50:36
quote:
Originally posted by RingLeader

Thats pretty much the same fear I have about mine getting all spruced up. I need to just run a key down the side and get it over with so I can actually use the boat for fishing.



NO! NO! NO! You need a big Bill fish to run his bill along the side to break her in properly!

I got one of those last summer and I still look at it and

Beats the heck out of fuming over a scratch from the dock or trailer


Group9 Posted - 11/03/2007 : 06:55:51
Wow! That's beautiful. I just went out and looked at my 211 and tried to picture it looking like that.

That was also interesting to look at, just to see exactly what one looks like under the liner.

ob1jeeper Posted - 11/02/2007 : 19:10:06
Stunning craftmanship... VERY nice indeed...
calico Posted - 10/30/2007 : 07:41:39
Clinton Twp is next to Mt Clemens, just off I-94 and just past the Clinton River. I live in Ann Arbor which is about half way between Jackson and Mt Clemens. Ryan has my boat in his shop now.
Gary Shallbetter Posted - 10/29/2007 : 11:30:01
What a beautiful job!!! Where is Clinton TWP.? I live in Clarklake MI. which is close to Jackson.
Greene Posted - 10/26/2007 : 06:12:49
quote:
Originally posted by yachtjim

I drop by here from time to time to check out the boat porn.



Don't be a stranger...come more often. Experts are encouraged!
yachtjim Posted - 10/25/2007 : 21:11:56
I drop by here from time to time to check out the boat porn. All I have to say about this one is "Oh my!"

This boat is incredible.

I was also hurt to find out Warthog doesn't like FLY. That's it, you need to find a new electronics guy [:x)]
LilRichard Posted - 10/25/2007 : 15:59:38
quote:
Originally posted by Raybo Marine NY

Someone should tell all the boat manufactures to stop using all that polyester gelcoat and resin junk!



[88]

I was kinda thinking the same thing...
Mike V Posted - 10/25/2007 : 15:31:31
Visited Ryan's shop last spring to look at a sailboat he had in storage that was for sale. Got a tour and looked at this Mako under construction. Wow!

He also had a 29' open Pacemaker that he was restoring for a customer. A very high level of expertise in my opinion. Based on what he told me he was charging, anybody should consider him when considering doing a frame up project like this. Several other more exotic projects also. Hope he is successful and stays in the business for a long time.

Ring, I'm going thru withdrawl. How about an update on your project?
Mist-Rest Posted - 10/25/2007 : 11:23:13
quote:
Originally posted by RingLeader

Thats pretty much the same fear I have about mine getting all spruced up. I need to just run a key down the side and get it over with so I can actually use the boat for fishing.




Ed, A very good friend would do that to his brand new trucks. Nothing major mind you but he felt that the truck was going to get a scratch someday and he might as well be the first one to do it and get it over with.

I's still shoot the SOB.
calico Posted - 10/25/2007 : 09:22:31
I agree that it’s hard to get used to what a classic Mako looks like with a motor bracket, but the things do work.
The bracket on this Mako is an ‘Armstrong Positive Floatation Outboard Bracket’ and configured specifically for this model Mako. To quote Armstrong: “The Positive floatation interior helps offset the weight of even the largest four-stroke engines”.
See http://www.armstrongnautical.com/brackets.htm for info.
With the flotation added by this bracket, the longitudinal center of buoyancy or LCB actually moves aft, which means that people at the back of the boat would have less effect that if the boat were normally configured with the motor on the original transom. It’s like having a longer boat. The interesting thing about the Armstrong bracket is the design of the bottom of it which makes the boat back down better - and safer too.
For some interesting info on adding different styles of brackets to a boat and what they can do, visit Continuous Wave which is an Boston Whaler site: http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/engineBrackets.html
Zoo Dog Posted - 10/25/2007 : 09:11:33
Hi guys, The boat is absolutly stunning or in redneck lingo beyond anal. I love pets of all kinds but if it was my boat the dog would be wearing felt booties till the new got wore off. Regards, Jerry
RingLeader Posted - 10/25/2007 : 08:54:45
Thats pretty much the same fear I have about mine getting all spruced up. I need to just run a key down the side and get it over with so I can actually use the boat for fishing.
Mist-Rest Posted - 10/25/2007 : 08:18:00
Does anyone have a napkin that I can wipe the drool off my chin with?

I'd shoot the first person who banged a sinker or a jig off of it. I personally would be afraid to take it anywhere.
Bayouwolf Posted - 10/24/2007 : 19:34:13
quote:
Originally posted by RingLeader

Ryan sent me this last night...


Very solid, dry, soft entry through swells and chop. I've had clients tell me "nicer ride than seahunt, proline, seapro, and a 28' pursuit, soft, solid entry rather than a hard smack". WOT - 51mph @ 6000 rpm. Prop- s.s.mercury revolution 4 blade, 2 blades vented. Before non-skid we poured 2lb. AB closed cell through deck and hull with a composite bulkhead seperating the bilge area, then glassed over vent holes . The deck and hull are scewed and glued together rather than riveted to embrace one piece solidness. All 316 ss cup holders, ss lee rod holder, and 8" accon pull up cleats are plumbed and drained to a ss groco through-hull. The bilge stays as dry to the bone, even when you wash the deck. The paint is Awlcraft 2000 except the non-skid is awlgrip flattened to a satin finish, cleared, wetsanded and polished (absolutely no orange peel). The bottom had been regelcoated with high gloss additive for durability under the water even though it will never be left in. The entire hull / deck bottom was surfaced using duratec vinylester fairing primer and sealed w/ vinylester primer, then sanded and primed with u.s.paint (Awlgrip) 545 epoxy primer , sanded and preped for paint. I'll be composing a written presentation of what has been done to the boat from start to finish after haul out season is over and answer your remaing questions.



Can't wait to hear the rest of this story. Sounds like a real labor of love.
I'm not sold on the bracket just yet though.....Almost looks like a Dusky now. (Not that there's anything wrong with that. )
Raybo Marine NY Posted - 10/24/2007 : 10:07:17
Someone should tell all the boat manufactures to stop using all that polyester gelcoat and resin junk!
pharmnyc Posted - 10/24/2007 : 09:57:25
The restoration as described before is amazing and the 21 looks beautiful.

I still believe that the 21 is a bit "stern heavy", however, I am only looking at pictures and therefore, I may be incorrect. I must restate...a bit, very small, possible insignificant.......stern heavy.

My previous post on the first page describes the rest attitude at two different focal points. One, while at dock and the other picture is when the boat is anchored in the flats with the engine trimmed up.

The discussion here is the boat's rest attitude is compromised when analyzing these two pictures. The conclusion MAY result in the boat becoming additionally stern heavy figuring in when you add 2-3 other people in the stern area (aft weight increased).

Again, a beautiful boat. I am just making point about a potentially insufficient bracket that is trying support a 600 plus pound engine when the COG has been modified. The bracket looks to be a "lifted" bracket as compared to a "full extension" bracket.

Bottom Line: put three-four people in the stern and observe the scuppers and determine if the pressure ball is locked in the upright position. If so, the scuppers are below waterline as a result.

As many have stated regarding brackets...it's not so much a floatation concern as to the LOA remaining the same and the COG has been adversly changed. A "full extension" bracket changes the LOA which in effect creates more floatation.

Stefan Posted - 10/24/2007 : 08:55:34
Hey guys,

Great pics of the restoration!

I have a question about the black tubing over the engine cables and controls. Who sell that and the cap where the cables enter the transom?
RingLeader Posted - 10/24/2007 : 08:52:00
Ryan sent me this last night...


Very solid, dry, soft entry through swells and chop. I've had clients tell me "nicer ride than seahunt, proline, seapro, and a 28' pursuit, soft, solid entry rather than a hard smack". WOT - 51mph @ 6000 rpm. Prop- s.s.mercury revolution 4 blade, 2 blades vented. Before non-skid we poured 2lb. AB closed cell through deck and hull with a composite bulkhead seperating the bilge area, then glassed over vent holes . The deck and hull are scewed and glued together rather than riveted to embrace one piece solidness. All 316 ss cup holders, ss lee rod holder, and 8" accon pull up cleats are plumbed and drained to a ss groco through-hull. The bilge stays as dry to the bone, even when you wash the deck. The paint is Awlcraft 2000 except the non-skid is awlgrip flattened to a satin finish, cleared, wetsanded and polished (absolutely no orange peel). The bottom had been regelcoated with high gloss additive for durability under the water even though it will never be left in. The entire hull / deck bottom was surfaced using duratec vinylester fairing primer and sealed w/ vinylester primer, then sanded and primed with u.s.paint (Awlgrip) 545 epoxy primer , sanded and preped for paint. I'll be composing a written presentation of what has been done to the boat from start to finish after haul out season is over and answer your remaing questions.
calico Posted - 10/24/2007 : 08:31:29
blue stuff is vinyl ester fairing primer
Raybo Marine NY Posted - 10/24/2007 : 06:53:54
whats the blue filler in the pictures?
calico Posted - 10/23/2007 : 22:14:39
I followed the progress of this Mako redo as my boat is in Ryan’s shop. The workmanship is absolutely first class. The photos don’t show how beautiful it really is. The best materials were used – vinylester resins and surfacing materials. No polyesters and no bondo junk. The paint is flawless - AwlCraft except for the non-skid which is AwlGrip.

I also got out in the boat with Ryan and his wife Courtney on a breezy day on the St. Clair River. The boat is fast, rides beautifully, is very well balanced - and it is not stern heavy. When it did get a little air a few times, it came down soft and not bow high. Just a very impressive ride for a 21 foot boat.
MJB Posted - 10/23/2007 : 21:25:55
The craftsmanship, lines, colors, details etc....what a beautiful boat.
Diamond Dave Posted - 10/23/2007 : 21:09:50
quote:
Originally posted by Bayouwolf

[quote]Originally posted by Diamond Dave

Bayouwolf,

Dude you’re kidding right?
Dave




Of course.

But...
Fact of the matter is, we all look at each others work, and no matter how fine the craftsmanship, how great the idea, or how innovative the design, we all seem to find something to pick at.
GRANTED...some of us are more worthy than others to do so, but a spade is still a spade. No bad intentions.


[/quote]Bayouwolf,

It’s all good, I thought you where just joking around but I wasn’t sure. LOL
That’s the thing about communicating on a forum it’s sometimes hard to get a read on what the persons is really trying to communicate.

It’s just letters and words and often times that things get miss communicated or taken out of context. Happens to me all the time. LOL You’re right about one thing. If I had the chance to change one thing about that boat it would be the name on the title. [;^)]

Dave

Bayouwolf Posted - 10/23/2007 : 20:12:25
quote:
Originally posted by Diamond Dave

Bayouwolf,

Dude you’re kidding right?
Dave




Of course.

But...
Fact of the matter is, we all look at each others work, and no matter how fine the craftsmanship, how great the idea, or how innovative the design, we all seem to find something to pick at.
GRANTED...some of us are more worthy than others to do so, but a spade is still a spade. No bad intentions.

86228 Posted - 10/23/2007 : 18:19:32
Totaly awsome job!!! That is inspireing. One question. Did you hire warthog's dog as the job foreman or does the Lab belong to you? (Humor intended)
Creeker Posted - 10/23/2007 : 17:34:21
Outstanding restoration, what a fantastic build. Really enjoyed the photos..
johnsaul Posted - 10/23/2007 : 15:52:41
Thanks for the quick chime fellas. I too was wondering the exact reason to remove the liner given the core was replaced from the deck side. Past that, the only reason save ('cause I could!) would be foam removal and possibly convenience for rigging purpose. I did note what seemed to be some keel work (reinforcement) and of course the transom work in the back. I suppose if you have the overhead (crane) and the gumption and the man power to use the "easy" button, do it! I'd love to know how much trouble they had removing the liner from the hull. As difficult as it sometimes is to simply remove the foamed in gas tanks, I assume it could REALLY be a pisser to pull the foamed in place liner from the hull. Something else I have noticed about the project is/are the exquisite attention to details. Aesthetically speaking this is the perfect boat from the lines to the hardware to the paint job and the graphic flow of contrasting colors down to the trailer itself. Plenty of power too...A real Beauty And The Beast kind of job. Stunning. [8~2]
72mako22 Posted - 10/23/2007 : 10:56:22
[8~2]NICE[8~2]
My piloting skills are not worthy!!!
warthog5 Posted - 10/23/2007 : 10:12:18
Amen Rob.

I have spent at least 4hrs looking to find a certain switch in a SPDT that would match the switches that are already on this Sea Hunt I'm working on. Got to have the details "Just" right. [;^)]
Raybo Marine NY Posted - 10/23/2007 : 10:00:08
I do the same with my work, I always look after and think how something could have been done differently.

the day I stop doing that is the day I retire
Diamond Dave Posted - 10/23/2007 : 09:58:15
Bayouwolf,

Dude you’re kidding right? Ring is anything but a Monday morning quarterback. He probably has more practical experience than 99% of the people on this forum. Just don’t want to see you abash yourself. I’m sure you where kidding.

Dave

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