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Posted - 11/02/2008 :  15:30:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Now that the Mako is headed to Bobby's, I am going to be cutting my teeth on my boat. This boat was my grandfathers and has been in the family since before I was born. It has had a few transoms and floors over the years. I think the last time it was re-done was 1988ish? The floor was shot from the console back. The transom is very soft. The engine is strong and just needs some paint. I plan to take this slow and learn as much as I can.

Right now I know the stringers, floor, console, and transom are the most obvious. Some decisions that are still up in the air are to go back with carpet or go with an anti-skid? The motor is ok but I'd love to see what a 90 opti would do on it. The trailer was custom built for the boat but is covered in surface rust. It will be totally redone.

I am open for all ideas, suggestions, and comments. I have caught a ton of fish and have even more memories so I guess that's why I'm not trashing it.

Here is the current condition. You can see the casting deck out line in the bow. I will plan to keep it.



I've been talking to ScottC about some ideas for the console. Not a lot of room!



Based on the Model # this is a 1985 70 VRO. If there are any Rude experts, please let me know if this is right. I thought it was newer than 1985?? The VRO quit working one day and threw a rod. It has since been rebuilt and runs fine.



The paint was Imron. Every inch below the water line has blistered.



The stringers are very week and some are beginning to disappear!



Bad blisters!



The rails are in great shape. I'm all open for advice as to how to get these screws out!



A little damage from a bad storm tied to the dock. The endcap for the rail is ok.



After the stringers are replaced, I plan to fill the bottom with foam.



Back in the day....



I love this advertisement. Check out the last picture!



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warthog5
Wart

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Posted - 11/02/2008 :  23:37:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You need a 90deg screwdriver to remove those screws.

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Or something like this.

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Big Dave

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Posted - 11/03/2008 :  05:27:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Cool looking project. I guess I would start by asking what I was planning to use the boat for? My guess is some skinny water fishing? I like the idea of the casting platform up front, maybe thinking of some lockers up there for storage, etc?

The original pics seem to show the ladies sitting in lawn chairs, what is your plan for seating?

Looks like no internal fuel tank, going to stick with that?

As for the carpet question, no doubt in my mind I would do non skid and leave the carpet out. Good luck and keep the pics coming.

David, New Kent, Va



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warthog5
Wart

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Posted - 11/03/2008 :  08:03:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
As for the carpet question, no doubt in my mind I would do non skid and leave the carpet out.


10-4 on that and the forward casting platform w/ storage too.
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Posted - 11/03/2008 :  12:09:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Wart. Looks like I'll be making a purchase soon.

TC

The boat will be used around the middle Tennessee lakes for fishing and family fun/water skiing, ect...(that's why I want to see if a 90 would work. That 70 struggles bad with a skier)

Yes, the casting deck will be put back in. My Dad designed it when we last redid the boat 20 years ago. We had a seat up front with a trolling motor. There was just open storage under it but I'd like to go further and maybe make some compartments and house a 2nd battery for the trolling motor.

The boat is very weight sensitive so I can't go too far off the deep end. I'd love to figure out a live well set up (help Wart)

The gas tank and batter will remain, as designed, under the console. I thought about putting one in the floor but thought that was getting out of hand.

I really don't want carpet back in it. As far as seating, there would be a seat behind the console, and sit on the console. The other person just finds a place. No lawn chairs on my boat (even though I'm from Alabama) Thanks for the feed back.

By the way, TC, LOVE your project!

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warthog5
Wart

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Posted - 11/03/2008 :  13:30:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Install a rigging tube that will go from the console forward under the casting platform while it's opened up.

This could be used for power to the trolling motor and lights.
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Big Dave

USA
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Posted - 11/03/2008 :  19:13:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I can only think of two ways you could go about a live well as a below deck well is not an option here.

You could have a completly removable topside well that you connect and disconnect the feed and drain lines when using the well. You usually see those in the rear of the boat in a corner.

Or you can get a little more fancy and put the lines under the sole and have maybe one of those leaning posts behind the console with an integrated live well in it. Put some shut off valves in the bilge. That would be cool but it would mean dropping some cash for the leaning post.

If the boat is a little sensitive and you are putting a heavier motor on the back, maybe it would make some sense to get the live well more up by the helm, just a thought!

Thanks for nice words on the TC project, probably get back to some cabin work and helm re do soon, I've done some work there but not enough to post. Good luck

David, New Kent, Va



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Posted - 11/04/2008 :  23:52:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
TC,
Those are great ideas. I'd love some type of integrated system. Something simple.

I think before any more work is done, I would like for the entire boat to be media blasted. Why not start with a clean slate?

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warthog5
Wart

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Posted - 11/07/2008 :  09:47:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Your Dad told me that this boat was bad about taking water over the transom. He didn't elaborate any about it, so I don't know if it came from cutting the throttle quick while on plane?

But still you might think of installing a raised splashwell on this redo. Just be sure that the motor can tilt.
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Posted - 11/07/2008 :  10:39:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The water that came over the back was usually do to his piloting techniques. Do you think a 90 is too much motor?

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warthog5
Wart

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Posted - 11/07/2008 :  10:46:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I wondered about that. HeHe

quote:
Do you think a 90 is too much motor?


No, not at all, but if the 70 is running good, I'd use it.

The 90HP will be a little easier on it. IE: You will not have to run the "Stem Winding S#@t" out of it.

The 90 on my Scout, I run at 3800RPM. That gives me a cruise of aprox 25MPH.
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78 Mako 20
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USA
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Posted - 11/08/2008 :  00:37:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That one screw is in a tight spot!
Make sure to clean out any deposits inside the screw head.
If you had the room use a Craftsman speedhandle. You can put all your weight onto the head of the screw.
A good trick for getting a good grip on the screw head is to use a dab of valve grinding compound on the tip of your philips head it.

We also use what I call a pneumatic screwknocker, but you need to be careful you don`t apply to much air pressure.
I have worked with alot of scews that are shanked, stripped or corroded.
Hopefully you won`t need a 90 degree drill to get in there to drill off that head!
Good luck with that project!

~Darryl
Concord, N.C.
'78 20 175 Opti
darryl8n(AT)gmail(DOT)com

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layne_herring
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Posted - 12/31/2009 :  18:22:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Seaplane1978,
I became very excited to see your photos of your 69 tarpon ski barge. I recently purchased this exact model and I am preparing to restore it. Was wondering if you have finished yours and have any advice for a rookie? Have read this post several times and will continue. Please let me know if I am missing info in other posts.

Thank you,
Layne
Lake Keystone (Tulsa)OK
Mako (one of these days)
69 Kenner 16' Ski Barge Tarpon III
69 Kenner 23' Kittiwake sailboat
(misc other boats and sea doos not listed here - might cause wife problems!)
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Posted - 12/31/2009 :  19:49:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lane,
No, nothing has changed since these pictures were taken

I guess a wedding (mine) got in the way. My plan is to learn as much as I can about fiberglass and boat repair and cut my teeth on this. But not all my news is bad. I was able to contact Bill Kenner via e-mail and can give it to you if you shoot me an e-mail. I think they closed the doors on Ski Barge in 1992 and the Kenner cousins went on to build BlackJack and Frontier boats under the K2 Marine name after Tracker bought the name

If you look on the smaller new Tracker Mako boats are built under the Kenner name (reference the HIN) and they slap a Mako sticker on it. Anyhow, post some pics of your project.

I don't think there are any other Barges on here. It's not as popular as a Mako

One thing my Dad and Granddad added to the boat years ago was a casting deck that was about 3.5' from the bow back to where the rails curved down. It gave a great platform for a trolling motor, high seat (like on a bass boat) and also gave storage up front and a home for a second battery. The boat does not draw much water at all and is perfect for a lake or a bay. I wouldn't put more than a 75 on her. I think a 90 is too much.

Call ScottC at Vecotred Imaging for a swtich panel and/or the "Fishin' Ski Barge" emblem on the side of the cosole. Let me know if you need anything else. Good luck and keep us posted!

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warthog5
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Posted - 01/01/2010 :  09:51:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
I guess a wedding (mine) got in the way.


Dod ya forget about buying a house too?
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Posted - 01/01/2010 :  11:32:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I get a monthly reminder of this house (in the form of money disappearing from my account)

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Big Dave

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Posted - 01/01/2010 :  11:44:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You guys forget that you have to get your toys BEFORE you get married

David, New Kent, Va



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layne_herring
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Posted - 01/01/2010 :  15:41:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Seaplane1978
Thanks for your reply and hints. May have a few more questions for you as I progress.

While most guys on here may be experts and not have a need for this, you might be interested in an ad I saw yesterday in the January 2010 Trailer Boats magazine. West Systems is giving away their 85 page Fiberglass Boat Repair & Maintenance Manual. Just send an email request to: (replace the (AT) with @)

FreeManual-TB(AT)westsystem.com

Thanks again,
Layne

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Posted - 01/01/2010 :  17:00:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Layne and any help you need just ask on here. I am just a guy that drools on here. This site is full of genuine great guys who want to help

If you need some Ski Barge specific stuff, Bill Kenner is an e-mail away. Thanks for the heads up on the manual.


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ChuckB
Good Luck Chuck

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Posted - 01/01/2010 :  22:26:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by triplecrownnc

You guys forget that you have to get your toys BEFORE you get married




AMEN! I had my Cape Horn before I got married, sold on a Saturday the wife worked, and went straight from sale to purchase Mako. When she got home the Mako was already there, and boy was it looking nasty after sitting under a tree and not being touched for 2 years.

Allen get to work!

'82 224 - Mobile, AL
Project Boats - Eric Nelson's 224
Repowered w/'04 Evinrude DI 200
Pulled by Space Shuttle Towing TUNDRA.

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layne_herring
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Posted - 01/30/2010 :  18:32:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Seaplane1978 - I don't have enough posts yet to send you a pm. Could you please drop me an email to layne_herringATyahoo.com (AT = @ of course, and underscore between layne and herring)? Wanted to ask you a quick question about o/b shaft length required on a ski barge, but don't want to cause any more postings on classic mako than necessary.
Thanks,
Layne


quote:
Originally posted by Seaplane1978

Thanks Layne and any help you need just ask on here. I am just a guy that drools on here. This site is full of genuine great guys who want to help

If you need some Ski Barge specific stuff, Bill Kenner is an e-mail away. Thanks for the heads up on the manual.



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Posted - 01/30/2010 :  19:33:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Layne,
No problem. I will send you an e-mail and I will respond to you on here as well. One thing that makes this site so amazing is the sharing of knowledge and information.

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weir mako 21
Fire-Maine-iac

USA
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Posted - 01/31/2010 :  21:00:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
When you get back to removing those screws, if you can loosen them with a 90* screwdriver as Wart and others suggested. Then, if they are being too tough, slide a hack saw uner the rail and cut. Just leave enough hanging up that you can grab the screw shafts with vice grips to remove the rest. Neat doing a project that has been in the family. My brother and I rebuilt a duck hunting boat a few years ago my father designed and built when I was 6. It was cool taking our kids out in the boat their grandfather built (even if he passed away years before they were born). Good luck when life affords you the time to get back to the project.
-John

Weir Mako 21
1985 21B
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Capt. Mike
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Posted - 05/27/2010 :  13:52:38  Show Profile  Visit Capt. Mike's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Yes, the casting deck will be put back in. My Dad designed it when we last redid the boat 20 years ago. We had a seat up front with a trolling motor. There was just open storage under it but I'd like to go further and maybe make some compartments and house a 2nd battery for the trolling motor.

The boat is very weight sensitive so I can't go too far off the deep end. I'd love to figure out a live well set up


Another thought to fashion a livewell on a dime, use an Igloo cooler with tie down accessories. It'll double as a bench with accessory cushion. http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=7945&familyName=Igloo Cooler Accessories We sell quite a few of these for that reason. You can pick them up at JD or most anywhere that sells coleman coolers. You could plumb livewell hookup that can then be disconnected when and left on shore when you're barging that VW on there What a cool boat, never seen one a those before! Just a caution on this idea, if you're running hard I'd put some extra heft into the security if it's full of water. Backing plates under with G-10 http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=8758&familyName=G10 Fiberglass Board or starboard or something of the sort and some extra strapping. This route is great b/c cushions are cheap compared to custom, makes for sizable bench seat, doubles as storage when you're not fishing and comes out easy.

BTW- Got same vintage 115 Evinrude that needs some TLC but will get us through til we can swing a new powerplant. Interested to see how this one comes out. Good luck

Capt. Mike
Jamestown Distributors
Bristol, RI
19cc Mako, Bruce Roberts 25
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Capt. Mike
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Posted - 05/27/2010 :  14:05:45  Show Profile  Visit Capt. Mike's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Seaplane1978


The rails are in great shape. I'm all open for advice as to how to get these screws out!







My favorite tool for those little buggers. If that is just a 90 angle and open from one side, cut it!
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=3329&familyName=Fein MultiMaster Universal E-Cut Saw Blade 1-1%2F8 inches Wide It's the best tool for this purpose, better than sawzall for precision cuts. Bought one for kitchen floor job and never put it away, use it a ton on the boat.

Capt. Mike
Jamestown Distributors
Bristol, RI
19cc Mako, Bruce Roberts 25
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snoopysdad
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USA
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Posted - 07/09/2010 :  00:00:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
SeaPlane,
I just saw 1 of these (SkiBarge) at a local repair shop, TODAY. It's appearing all original, C/C Open Fish, caught my eye w/the 'different' hull design. Was fascinated(sp?) w/the overall (& no frills totally functional) layout.

IF You'd like pictures of the interior, shoot me an email, I can return there tomorrow afternoon and email 'em back tomorrow night. I'm guessing the owner wouldn't mind;

Just let me know,
-Mick (the 'fin reaper')

"There is nothing-- absolutely nothing-- half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." -Ratty to Mole in Kenneth Grahame's The Wind in the Willows.
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Posted - 07/09/2010 :  00:07:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
E-mail sent, thanks for the info!

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Posted - 04/07/2012 :  21:23:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This thread is exactly what I needed. Thanks dude.

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