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VBmako17
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USA
407 Posts

Posted - 03/03/2005 :  21:52:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I bought this used boat and motor in NOV 04 ran it about 10 times ran great but I'm looking for A larger motor so I need to sell this one first. IT's a 1999 yamaha model C115TLRX 2stroke 20" shaft.Ithassome cosmetic downfall,but the motor runs strong and I believe it's the commercialmodel,no oil to deal with ,you know whats going in your engine!motor doesn't come with controls or prop.sold as is 2800.00
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any questions,you can call 757 407 4275

1980 Mako17 Standard, 115 Yamaha 2 stroke
1981 Mako224 200 johnson 2 stroke Virginia Beach,Va

johnhermes
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526 Posts

Posted - 03/04/2005 :  07:25:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey, did you get that boat in Tampa?

Above the trim tab ram on the starboard side is the rigging sticker for Advantage Boatworks in Tampa. Lou Baquero owns the place, and is the preminent Mako man in Tampa.

Nice motor. Those are hard to find used. Last fall I looked for some time when repowering my Dad's 17, and I ended up ordering a new 2 stroke from Eds in Virginia. Just curious, why a bigger engine? Those 17's are rockets with a 115 on them. Be careful of the weight issue, a six cylinder will put the scuppers under.

1988 Mako 20, 2008 Yamaha 200HPDI
1984 Mako 17, 2005 Suzuki 115
Tampa, Florida
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VBmako17
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USA
407 Posts

Posted - 03/04/2005 :  08:45:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yea,I bought the boat in tampa,drove down last NOV. after seeing it listed in usedboats .com.I bougt it from this guy who was also restoring a 21ft.er.john,after thinking about it,your right this boat does fly! SO it's not so much the speed that I need, it's the fuel consumption and range that I'm trying to improve.I also fish alone a lot and even though I'm confident in this motor,having a newer 4stroke would give me a little peace of mind.A 115 or 130/135 4 stroke would suffice.A far as the scuppers,would 40 to 70 pounds extra put them below the water line any one? Also aren't the newer 4 strokes,lighter and faster than the ones pryor to 2003 anyone?

Thankyou,
vbmako17
VBVA.

1980 Mako17 Standard, 115 Yamaha 2 stroke
1981 Mako224 200 johnson 2 stroke Virginia Beach,Va
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johnhermes
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526 Posts

Posted - 03/04/2005 :  09:58:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A Suzuki 4 stroke weighs 420#'s, and your Yammy weighs 358#'s. I think sitting at rest, you will have water coming in your scuppers, and possibly getting over your rear bilge hatch. It better be very water tight. I think you will pick up minimal, if any speed with a Suzy 140. The 115 Yam 2 stroke runs like a raped Ape, the Suzy is not all that powerful. I have owned both. You will never get your money back on fuel, unless you run thousands upon thousands of hours. The Yam is absolutely bulletproof. Burning 24 gallons of fuel in a day on that boat takes some serious running.

As you can tell, I think you are making a mistake. I went through all the same issues last fall when I repowered my Dad's 17, and I ended up buying a crate motor from Eds Marine for $5500. It was a 2004 Yammy 115 2Stroke.

1988 Mako 20, 2008 Yamaha 200HPDI
1984 Mako 17, 2005 Suzuki 115
Tampa, Florida
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VBmako17
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USA
407 Posts

Posted - 03/04/2005 :  13:09:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Man,somethings telling me not to change.For now any way.Every one I've talked to has said,"run that 115 till it's done." What about the yamaha 115 4 stroke, have you any Idea How that motor would do on the 17?and I believe that only weighs 43 more#'s than the 2stroke 115.

thanks,
vbmako17
VBVA.

1980 Mako17 Standard, 115 Yamaha 2 stroke
1981 Mako224 200 johnson 2 stroke Virginia Beach,Va
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michigan dave
Peacekeeper

USA
7632 Posts

Posted - 03/04/2005 :  13:22:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Take the money you saved in just the sales tax on a new motor and buy a really nice fish finder or gps. That yami. will be running for years to come if you treat her good. Ol Wart has said it before
"just because its new dont mean its worth a darn"......dave




1979m21 225johnson "blue dolphin" bought off this board and restored
with everyone's help!!Gone but not Forgotten....
1979 20 Mako 115 Suzuki gone
1977 19 Mako 115 Johnson gone
1976 23 Mako twin 140 Johnsons gone
1983 224 with closed transom and bracket
And 130 SOB (some other boats)
S.Haven MI>Columbus OH
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johnhermes
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526 Posts

Posted - 03/04/2005 :  13:39:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The 115 4 stroke Yamaha is certainly less of a weight issue, but here are the other issues:

1) The motor only is $7800 at Eds, minus say $2500 for your motor is a net of $5300. Thats a bundle of money to replace a motor that runs fine.
2) The 115 4 stroke will not have nearly, not even close, to the amount of ass that that 2 stroke has.
3) You will never get even close to your money back on resale.
4) You will not have any better reliability from the 4 stroke than the 2 stroke. Those 115 2 strokes are absolutely the best motor Yamaha has ever built. You cannot kill them.

1988 Mako 20, 2008 Yamaha 200HPDI
1984 Mako 17, 2005 Suzuki 115
Tampa, Florida
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leggomymako
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USA
541 Posts

Posted - 03/04/2005 :  13:48:39  Show Profile  Visit leggomymako's Homepage  Reply with Quote
VB,

I think I see a peak of a gold floor???? or am I just dreaming???
What year is the boat? Looks great!

1985 Mako 17, E-TEC 115
Statham, GA
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VBmako17
Member

USA
407 Posts

Posted - 03/05/2005 :  00:44:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Leggomymako,shes a 1980,floor is solid gold,many people may not like the gold floor,but I think it's the determinig factor in a classic mako.It also keeps the boat a few degrees warmer when chasin those winter stripers down the coast,or those spring days a bit warmer for that good ol cobia run in Va.

John,you've convinced me I'm stickin with the ol yameehawlmeedowntheriver if it aint broke don't fix it! thanks john,besides,the fish don't care about the motor.

thanks,
vbmako17[;^)]
VBVA.

1980 Mako17 Standard, 115 Yamaha 2 stroke
1981 Mako224 200 johnson 2 stroke Virginia Beach,Va

Edited by - VBmako17 on 03/05/2005 01:43:39
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johnhermes
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526 Posts

Posted - 03/05/2005 :  06:30:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This was my old boat, its a 1978

http://www.classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3096

1988 Mako 20, 2008 Yamaha 200HPDI
1984 Mako 17, 2005 Suzuki 115
Tampa, Florida
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VBmako17
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USA
407 Posts

Posted - 03/05/2005 :  17:50:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yea John,I saw this yesterday.I really like the black starboard on everything,makes it look nice and clean.Yet another project.

vbmako17
vbva.

1980 Mako17 Standard, 115 Yamaha 2 stroke
1981 Mako224 200 johnson 2 stroke Virginia Beach,Va
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steviepi
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USA
147 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2005 :  18:48:39  Show Profile  Visit steviepi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
VB - I'm in the same situation; I bought a 1990 171 with a tired 115 Yamee. When I bought it I really didn't consider the engine or trailer. I've since bought a new Float-on trailer and I plan to refurb the boat in the future and repower. However, I haven't started yet because everytime I go to use the boat that damn 115 cranks up. The engine continues to get the job done with 'piston slap' and all. If mine is a high time 1990 engine your 1999 should be good for many more years of service - hell I beginning to think mine is too! I agree with all of the above comments - it hard to beat that V-four.

Steve 171 Mako
Jupiter, FL.
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mark S
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104 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2005 :  20:06:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
thats a nice looking rig you got there. im in the process of rebuilding a 78 17ft. Ive already got a 99 90hp merc. how do you think it will run on this hull? I was expecting mid 30s. speed isnt everything to me, fuel consumption can be though sometimes. anyone got any exp. with a 90. i will have a jack plate on it as well.

Tampa/St.Augustine FL
retired: T.A. Mahoney Co.
Full time student Flagler College
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VBmako17
Member

USA
407 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2005 :  21:48:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yea guys I'm runnin it till it dies.Mark S,that 90 outta do just fine on that 17,less fuel too!You guys gotta figure out how to post pix and do so.

vbmako17,VBVA.

1980 Mako17 Standard, 115 Yamaha 2 stroke
1981 Mako224 200 johnson 2 stroke Virginia Beach,Va
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steviepi
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USA
147 Posts

Posted - 03/09/2005 :  20:36:37  Show Profile  Visit steviepi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
As for repowering a 171 with a four stroke vs. a two stoke. I too was concerned about the added weight of a four stroke. I was thinking along the lines of 135HP Honda - that motor is approx. 500lbs plus. So I conducted a rough float level test - while the boat was dead in the water I climbed onto the cowling of my 115 Yamee thus adding another 225 pounds. I was surprised on how little the transom settled - maybe a 1/2 inch I'm guessing. The water line was still below the scuppers. However, with all that being said and listening to the comments of other folks 2 vs. 4 stroke - I'll probably repower with another 115 2 stroke Yamee. Does anyone know why Yamaha stopped producing their 130HP 2 stroke engine? That's the engine I would prefer to repower my boat with.

Steve 171 Mako
Jupiter, FL.
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mako dog
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17 Posts

Posted - 03/10/2005 :  10:24:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ive got an 82 17 Angler with all the goodies. 2005 115 Evinrude 2 stroke, jack plate, trim tabs, and fish boxes on the transom for an extra 1.5 foot. When everything is in the right spot she hauls!! Smooth as silk!
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VBmako17
Member

USA
407 Posts

Posted - 03/10/2005 :  18:31:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
One of my buddies has a 17 with a Mariner 135 4 stroke, that boat runs so well,thats why I have a 17 today.I think Garys 17 has a 150 and one of his friends was thinking of riggin a 200 on his 17.I'm gonna be patient and find a great deal before I change,theres one out there it just hasn't found me yet.From what I understand,the new 4 bangers are lighter and faster than just a few years ago.

Thanks,
VBmako17,VBVA.

1980 Mako17 Standard, 115 Yamaha 2 stroke
1981 Mako224 200 johnson 2 stroke Virginia Beach,Va
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steviepi
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USA
147 Posts

Posted - 03/12/2005 :  13:42:16  Show Profile  Visit steviepi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Unfortunately I have yet to step aboard a four stroke powered vessel. I know 4-strokes are quiet and fuel efficent from what I seen and heard. However, I still have my reservations - I just believe that a 2-stroke engine goes on a boat. Nothing sounds better to me than a trimmed-up 2-stroke @ 5000 plus RPM. (Something about the valve train and all those moving parts on a 4-stroke scare me.) I'm also wise enough to know that if 4-stroke engines weren't getting the job done they wouldn't be on the market and with increasing in popularity. Change is always tough. I wanted to repower with a new Yamaha 130HP 2-stroke, don't know why this engine was discontinued. Anybody know?
One things for sure - I will be buying a new engine soon, just don't know which one.

Steve 171 Mako
Jupiter, FL.
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cgmiller
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USA
1394 Posts

Posted - 03/12/2005 :  21:41:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have a 1974 17 Classic. It has been powered with a 90 hp Evinrude since 1983. With the 13x17 prop at 4,000 rpms she runs at 25 mph, at 4500 rpms, 28 mph, wot at 5000 rpms, 32-34 mph. With a 13x19 prop, at 4000 rpms, she makes 27 mph and tops out at 4500 rpms at about 36 mph. The machanic who rebuilt the engine told me to take off the 19" prop and put the 17" back on as it was not allowing the engine to make the recommended wot. I just replaced the 90 evinrude with a 1991 115 Merc and can't wait to launch the boat.

Chris Miller
Mystic Islands, NJ
1974 17 Mako
24 Rampage

Chris Miller
Mystic Islands, NJ
1974 17 Classic
1988 211 Classic (sold)
1990 Grady White 230 Gulfstream

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steviepi
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USA
147 Posts

Posted - 03/12/2005 :  21:54:20  Show Profile  Visit steviepi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I don't know... I'm currently TBY in Hartford, CT. however, something tells me that when I get back to my boat; I'm going to repower with a 115 HP 2-stroke Yamaha. Make no mistake I've own all makes of outboards at one time or another (except a Crysler or a Force - if you can count those engines as an outboard). The rest are all good engines - but for my application, its going to be the same engine that currently resides on my transom - a replaced 115HP Yamaha - 2 stroke. Unless a 'test ride' with a 4-stroke can change my mind. Call me Mr. Stubburn...

Steve 171 Mako
Jupiter, FL.
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steviepi
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USA
147 Posts

Posted - 03/12/2005 :  21:56:30  Show Profile  Visit steviepi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I don't know... I'm currently TBY in Hartford, CT. however, something tells me that when I get back to my boat; I'm going to repower with a 115 HP 2-stroke Yamaha. Make no mistake I've own all makes of outboards at one time or another (except a Crysler or a Force - if you can count those engines as an outboard). The rest are all good engines - but for my application, its going to be the same engine that currently resides on my transom - a replaced 115HP Yamaha - 2 stroke. Unless a 'test ride' with a 4-stroke can change my mind. Call me Mr. Stubburn...

Steve 171 Mako
Jupiter, FL.
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VBmako17
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USA
407 Posts

Posted - 03/13/2005 :  00:20:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thats not stubburn,thats logical. That 115 yami does run strong.This freind was telling me he knows of a guy who has over 10,000 thats right 10,000 hours on his yami 115.HE's a guide and thats his business.That engine is not loud at all either.Also,same prop will perform differently on all makes and models.I'm not an expert I just listen to a-lot of 115 proven owners.

Thanks,
VBmako17,VBVA.

1980 Mako17 Standard, 115 Yamaha 2 stroke
1981 Mako224 200 johnson 2 stroke Virginia Beach,Va
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steviepi
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USA
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Posted - 03/13/2005 :  09:41:39  Show Profile  Visit steviepi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I don't know VB - 10,000 hours? Yamaha or not that sounds like a stretch to me. Roughly speaking - lets say 5 hours a day run time - equals 2000 days, approx. five years of continous; uh maybe. Although I don't know if Guides keep their engines that long.

I remember watching a Guide leave out of the 'Old Wooden Fish Camp' marina on Big Pine Key. He had a 130HP Yami - he'd come down in the morning, crank it up - and without letting the engine warm up - cast off and put the boat up on plane over the flats. I'd like to know what kind of time he got out his engines.

You'd mentioned your budies 135HP four stroke - has he been happy with the performance?

Later...





Steve 171 Mako
Jupiter, FL.
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johnhermes
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526 Posts

Posted - 03/13/2005 :  13:23:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I believe they discontinued the 130 because the difference between the 115 and 130, at least on a 17 Mako, is about 1 mph. Those motors are mechanically identical, and only through a few smoke and mirrors did the 130 put out a LITTLE more power than the 115.

1988 Mako 20, 2008 Yamaha 200HPDI
1984 Mako 17, 2005 Suzuki 115
Tampa, Florida
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steviepi
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USA
147 Posts

Posted - 03/13/2005 :  15:16:47  Show Profile  Visit steviepi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Agree... I'd heard the difference in HP was gained through carburation and exhaust tunning, just like the 150HP to 200HP. I'll stay with the 115HP - there's no reason for me to repower with any more. Especially now (the kids a grown and my son has his own boat -a 26' Beehive with a 250HP HPDI). Now the wife and I plan to do some quiet time fishing and river cruising.

Thanks for the reply...

Steve 171 Mako
Jupiter, FL.
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VBmako17
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USA
407 Posts

Posted - 03/13/2005 :  22:44:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Stevipi,
My friend really likes his 135 Mariner 4 stroke,especially on that17 angler.That boat was the sole reason I bought my mako.10,000 hours on a yami is very possible considering theres 30 year old motors out there still running strong. Take care of them and they take care of you.The friend with the 4 stroke is the friend of the guide with 10000 hours.I considered this in my descision to buy my 115.

vbmako17,vbva

1980 Mako17 Standard, 115 Yamaha 2 stroke
1981 Mako224 200 johnson 2 stroke Virginia Beach,Va
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steviepi
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USA
147 Posts

Posted - 03/14/2005 :  18:56:22  Show Profile  Visit steviepi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Good point VB, you know come to think of it my neighbor has a 'brown' 50ish model Johnson outboard motor - still in use, no telling how many hours that engine may have...

Anyway, I can't wait until next week - going home; I'll be with my baby again; my 171. I know this may sound dumb. However, I grew up in south FL. and have had many different boats and great times. I never gave a second thought the beautiful women, sun, water, sites and fishing a second thought. Then reality struck - a job transfer to CT.! Greatful to be employed - but I do miss the the south east coast of FL. Like they say - you never know what you have until its gone. But make no mistake I'll be back...

Later, Steve



Steve 171 Mako
Jupiter, FL.
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