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richblott
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USA
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Posted - 07/15/2013 :  22:02:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My steering on my 21 has been "clicking" (for lack of a better term) recently... We have seastar hydraulic steering, the standard setup. I'm wondering if I need to bleed the steering lines? The "clicking" seems to be more prevalent when I'm turning the wheel to starboard. It makes a clicking sound, and has a shuddering feel to it... Any thoughts?

Thanks.

Rich
Rhode Island
1980 21B

1973Mako23
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USA
5141 Posts

Posted - 07/15/2013 :  23:23:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Try to bleed air out and if that doesn't work then something wrong in helm.Air in lines you would lose steering intermittently as the air passes through the helm.I would investigate the helm first.Remove lines and slowly turn wheel so not to make a mess of course have a container by fittings so you catch oil.Once out then rotate wheel and see if clicking is still heard.If so I am not sure where on helm but remove check valves and inspect for debris
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doghouse241
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USA
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Posted - 07/16/2013 :  06:14:35  Show Profile  Visit doghouse241's Homepage  Reply with Quote
ive been fighting this exact problem for 2 days now on the work boat new helm- check, bled multiple times- check still doing the same were putting on a new ram shortly only thing we figure is a bad seal internally on the ram

Freddy Eckles Jr



2002 Palmetto custom 23 twin 150 yamaha hpdi

91' 241 Mako twin 225 optimal. (Gone but never forgotten).

76' 17 auqa sport (under the knife)

http://www.classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=31047

70's 19 mako (under the knife)

http://www.classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=1&TOPIC_ID=48959#391387

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m231user
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Posted - 07/16/2013 :  08:45:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mine clicks to the starboard but not to the port. Doesnt seem to be a problem, just a click. Mine is original and 21 yrs old. Steers perfect. I have ignored it as it hasnt been a problem other than the click. Mine doesnt shudder but i can feel the clicks with the motor off.

OBX, NC - 1992 Mako M-231 - 99 Yamaha ox66 225
http://www.classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=43253
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richblott
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USA
198 Posts

Posted - 07/16/2013 :  09:45:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not sure if it makes any difference, but the helm is old (possibly original, but I'm not sure, the boat is an '81...) But the cylinder at the outboard was new in 2011. My Dad and I installed it ourselves and obviously bled the lines at the time... Is bleeding generally something that people do regularly?

I dont seem to be losing steering at any time, it just makes noise...

Rich
Rhode Island
1980 21B
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Z-man
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USA
413 Posts

Posted - 07/16/2013 :  13:54:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sounds like there may be trash or contamination in the pistons in the helm. I just had my cylinder rebuilt(a lot cheaper than buying new) by Boat Steering Rebuilders in Safety Harbor, FL. A helm rebuild runs $325-$375 with a one year warranty. Call Butch and he can give you more info. 727-400-4746

Z-man
Winter Haven, FL
1983 Mako 254
1999 Sport Nautique/GT-40
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1973Mako23
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USA
5141 Posts

Posted - 07/16/2013 :  13:58:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The system should not have to bled unless you disconnect a component in the system
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mist-oprtuna-t
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Posted - 07/16/2013 :  20:57:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by leinad624

The system should not have to bled unless you disconnect a component in the system



Correct!

Add some fluid with the correct hose turning wheel lock to lock until full and she how that works for ya

Ocean Springs, Ms
'76 25'
http://www.classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=45623
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doghouse241
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USA
1158 Posts

Posted - 07/17/2013 :  00:59:41  Show Profile  Visit doghouse241's Homepage  Reply with Quote
ive been fighting this exact problem for 2 days now on the work boat new helm- check, bled multiple times- check still doing the same were putting on a new ram shortly only thing we figure is a bad seal internally on the ram

Freddy Eckles Jr



2002 Palmetto custom 23 twin 150 yamaha hpdi

91' 241 Mako twin 225 optimal. (Gone but never forgotten).

76' 17 auqa sport (under the knife)

http://www.classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=31047

70's 19 mako (under the knife)

http://www.classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=1&TOPIC_ID=48959#391387

www.biloxidoghousecharters.com

Biloxi MS
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makomac1
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Posted - 07/17/2013 :  01:34:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hydraulics are simple, people make them complicated. Start at the beginning and work through your trouble shooting tree. You will save lots of money.

All sold...
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1973Mako23
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USA
5141 Posts

Posted - 07/17/2013 :  08:05:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Simple till you get to more complex systems like track hoes
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back-n-black
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USA
872 Posts

Posted - 07/17/2013 :  11:02:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
More than likely you will need to tear it apart. It's pretty simple. With age, your helm will build up rust inside the helm and inside the lines.

Here is my link to cleaning he check valves. http://www.classicmako.com/forum/pop_printer_friendly.asp?TOPIC_ID=45991

Jim
Back-n-Black
1983 Mako 224
Davidson, NC

http://www.classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=37894
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ssfishx
Pitt Master

3025 Posts

Posted - 07/17/2013 :  11:40:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by back-n-black

More than likely you will need to tear it apart. It's pretty simple. With age, your helm will build up rust inside the helm and inside the lines.

Here is my link to cleaning he check valves. http://www.classicmako.com/forum/pop_printer_friendly.asp?TOPIC_ID=45991



x2 had to do this to my used helm when first installed. the check valves will click if the balance piston gets stuck. essentially the pistons are starving for oil on the return side due to stuck valve.

you could also turn it to the side with the issue VERY slowly without the steering responding. if you jerked the wheel it would go ahead and work normally for a few minutes.

76 25'cc project, pair of 225 johnsons
Richland/Long Beach, MS

http://www.classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14182


Edited by - ssfishx on 07/17/2013 11:43:46
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makomac1
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1783 Posts

Posted - 07/17/2013 :  16:35:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by leinad624

Simple till you get to more complex systems like track hoes



Meh, I spent the last 2 years in the sub sea hyd tools world. We used those same dual cart pumps 20GPH at 2000psi split to 2 divers at 10gph for prop polish and double heads, on one side and 30GPH at 2000psi on the other side for the big boys, Then down 100m of hose to the tools and back. Lots of amazing failures! All bio oil though.

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